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A bid to all the Canada auto parts manufacturers and assemblers would cost
If a group of investors for example: bill gates, warren buffet, elon musk put a bid to all the Canada auto parts manufacturers and assemblers - what would the purchase price be for the physical assets in Canada ?
Estimating a precise purchase price for all Canadian auto parts manufacturers and assemblers, especially for their physical assets, is incredibly complex and would require a detailed financial analysis of each individual company. This is a task that even a team of highly specialized financial experts would spend months, if not years, on.
However, we can provide some context and approximate figures based on publicly available information to give you a very rough idea of the scale involved.
Here's a breakdown of factors to consider and some indicative numbers:
I. Auto Parts Manufacturers:
Number of Companies: There are approximately 700-1,000 auto parts manufacturers in Canada, with about 207 in Ontario alone.
Major Players (Publicly Traded Canadian Companies):
Magna International (MG.TO): Market Cap of approximately C11.84billion(orC16.2 billion in another source).
Linamar (LNR.TO): Market Cap of approximately C2.91billion(orC4.0 billion in another source).
Martinrea International (MRE.TO): Market Cap of approximately C461.97million(orC617.2 million in another source).
Exco Technologies (XTC.TO): Market Cap of approximately C188.54million(orC257.3 million in another source).
Westport Fuel Systems (WPRT.TO): Market Cap of approximately C$57.39 million.
Privately Held Companies: A significant portion of the Canadian auto parts sector consists of privately owned companies, for which valuation data is not publicly available. Their assets would need to be appraised individually.
Total Revenue/GDP Contribution: The Canadian auto parts manufacturing industry generates approximately $39 billion in annual revenue and contributes around $9.8 billion in manufacturing value-added (in 2021).
Book Value vs. Market Value: The "purchase price for physical assets" implies looking at the book value of property, plant, and equipment (PP&E). However, a "bid" from investors like Gates, Buffet, and Musk would likely be for the entire companies, which would include intangible assets (like intellectual property, patents, brand recognition, customer relationships) and would be based on market valuations, earnings multiples, future growth potential, and strategic value, not just the physical assets.
II. Auto Assemblers:
Major OEMs with Canadian Plants: The primary auto assemblers in Canada are the "Big 3" (Ford, General Motors, Stellantis/Chrysler), along with Honda and Toyota.
These are global corporations, and only their Canadian assembly plants and related physical assets would be part of a "purchase of Canadian assets." Valuation Challenges:
Not Canadian Companies: These are not Canadian-headquartered companies. Their overall market capitalizations (e.g., Ford $46.84B, GM $51.33B, Stellantis $29.08B, Honda $41.87B, Toyota $223.41B) are global and do not reflect the value of their Canadian physical assets alone.
Strategic Value: The strategic importance of these plants to the global operations of these OEMs, especially with the shift to EVs, makes it difficult to put a standalone price on them. Recent investments in Canadian EV manufacturing facilities are in the billions of dollars (e.g., Ford, GM, and Stellantis combined have pledged nearly $15 billion in new automotive manufacturing investments since 2020, including EV battery plants).
Integrated Operations: Assembly plants are highly integrated with global supply chains and R&D, making it hard to isolate their value.
III. Estimating a "Purchase Price for Physical Assets"
Given these complexities, providing a single, accurate purchase price for all physical assets is impossible without a massive due diligence effort. However, we can use some very broad estimations:
Total Tangible Assets (Rough Estimate):
For the publicly traded Canadian auto parts manufacturers (Magna, Linamar, Martinrea, Exco, Westport), their combined market capitalization is roughly C$15-20 billion. This includes all assets, not just physical. The book value of their physical assets would be a portion of this.
For the hundreds of other private auto parts companies, estimating their collective physical asset value is even harder. If we assume their collective revenue is significantly higher than the public companies (the industry generates $39 billion in annual revenue, while the top public companies account for a smaller portion), their physical assets could also be in the tens of billions.
For the OEM assembly plants, the value of their physical assets (land, buildings, machinery, equipment) would be in the tens of billions of dollars, considering the scale of the facilities and the recent significant investments in modernization and EV conversion. For example, a single new EV battery plant alone can cost several billion dollars.
Highly Speculative Ballpark Figure:
If we were forced to conjure a very rough, speculative, and highly unscientific ballpark figure for the physical assets of all Canadian auto parts manufacturers and assemblers, it could easily range from C150 billion or more.
Factors that would heavily influence the actual price:
Strategic Intent of the Buyers: Are they looking for immediate profitability, long-term strategic control, technology acquisition, or market dominance? This significantly impacts the premium they'd be willing to pay.
Negotiation Dynamics: A hostile takeover vs. a friendly acquisition would yield different prices.
Debt and Liabilities: Any purchase would likely assume or refinance existing debt, which would add to the overall cost.
Intangible Assets: While the question specifies "physical assets," any real-world acquisition would include intellectual property, brand value, customer contracts, and skilled labor, all of which contribute significantly to the total enterprise value.
Market Conditions: The current state of the global automotive industry, supply chains, and economic outlook would all play a role.
Regulatory Environment: Government incentives, environmental regulations, and labor laws would also factor into the valuation.
In conclusion, while it's an intriguing hypothetical, pinpointing a precise purchase price is beyond a simple calculation. The scale of such an acquisition would be immense, involving hundreds of companies and vast industrial infrastructure, with a price tag likely in the many tens of billions, if not well over a hundred billion, Canadian dollars, depending heavily on what "physical assets" truly encompasses and the strategic goals of the legendary investors.
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Could Canada build a complete gas/EV car in Canada
Could canada re-organize all the independent auto parts & assembly plants in Canada and build a complete gas/ev car in canada
It's a highly complex question, but in short, while Canada has a robust automotive sector with strong parts manufacturing capabilities and existing assembly plants, completely reorganizing to build a "complete gas/EV car in Canada" from scratch, solely using Canadian-owned independent entities, would be incredibly challenging and likely not economically viable in the current global landscape.
Here's a breakdown of why, considering both the possibilities and the significant hurdles:
Canada's Current Automotive Landscape:
Strong Parts Sector: Canada has a thriving automotive parts manufacturing industry with nearly 1,000 individual firms, including major Tier 1 suppliers like Magna, Linamar, and Martinrea. These companies are innovative and supply parts to automakers globally.
Foreign Assembly Plants: The majority of vehicle assembly plants in Canada are owned by foreign automakers (e.g., Ford, GM, Stellantis, Honda, Toyota). These plants assemble vehicles for the North American market, with a high percentage of vehicles exported (over 95%).
Integrated North American Supply Chain: The North American automotive industry is deeply integrated. Parts often cross the Canada-U.S. border multiple times before ending up in a finished product. This integration has been fostered by trade agreements like CUSMA (formerly NAFTA).
EV Investment: Canada has attracted significant investments in EV assembly and battery manufacturing, with major projects underway (e.g., Volkswagen's battery plant in St. Thomas, Stellantis/LG Energy Solution battery plant in Windsor, GM's Ultium CAM plant in Quebec). The government has a "mines-to-mobility" strategy to leverage Canada's critical mineral resources.
Government Support: Both federal and provincial governments offer various incentives and funding programs to support automotive manufacturing, R&D, and the transition to EVs.
Challenges to a Fully Canadian-Owned and Integrated Production:
Ownership and Control: The existing assembly plants are primarily foreign-owned. A complete "reorganization" would imply either nationalizing these assets or convincing foreign OEMs to divest, which is highly unlikely and would deter future investment. Building entirely new, Canadian-owned assembly plants from the ground up would require immense capital, expertise, and market access.
Economies of Scale: The global automotive industry operates on massive economies of scale. Designing, engineering, and manufacturing a complete car (gas or EV) from scratch requires enormous R&D investment, diverse manufacturing capabilities (from stamping and body shop to paint and final assembly), and a global sales network to achieve profitability. A single, fully Canadian-owned venture would struggle to compete with established global players that produce millions of vehicles annually.
Intellectual Property and Technology: Automakers hold vast amounts of intellectual property (IP) related to vehicle design, powertrain technologies, software, and manufacturing processes. Developing all of this from scratch, or acquiring licenses for all necessary technologies, would be a monumental undertaking.
Supply Chain Complexity: While Canada has a strong parts sector, no single country is entirely self-sufficient in automotive manufacturing. Modern vehicles have incredibly complex global supply chains. Even if Canada could produce every part, it would likely face higher costs compared to leveraging existing global networks. EV production, while requiring fewer parts overall, still depends on a global supply chain for critical minerals and specialized components.
Market Access and Distribution: Even if a car could be built, establishing a robust domestic and international sales and service network would be another massive hurdle. The North American market is dominated by established brands.
Labour and Skills: While Canada has a skilled automotive workforce, a complete overhaul would require retraining and upskilling on a massive scale, particularly for new EV technologies, and potentially a significant expansion of the workforce for entirely new ventures.
Current EV Market Dynamics: The EV market is still evolving, and there have been recent slowdowns in EV adoption compared to earlier projections. This has led to some project delays and reevaluations, highlighting the financial risks in this transitional period.
What is feasible and already happening:
Strengthening the EV Supply Chain: Canada is actively working to become a key player in the North American EV supply chain, from critical mineral extraction and processing to battery component manufacturing and EV assembly. This is a more realistic and strategic goal than attempting to build an entirely Canadian-owned "complete car."
Innovation in Parts and Technology: Canadian parts suppliers continue to innovate in areas like advanced manufacturing, lightweight materials, and EV components, making them essential partners for global OEMs.
"Project Arrow": The Automotive Parts Manufacturer's Association (APMA) launched "Project Arrow," an initiative to design and build a complete zero-emission concept car using all-Canadian parts and technology. This project aims to showcase Canadian capabilities and attract investment, rather than necessarily launching a new Canadian OEM.
In conclusion, while Canada has the talent, resources, and some of the necessary components, a complete re-organization of all independent auto parts and assembly plants to build a fully Canadian-owned and integrated gas/EV car would be an incredibly ambitious and probably impractical undertaking given the current global automotive landscape and the sheer capital and market requirements. The current strategy of integrating into the broader North American EV supply chain and attracting investment from global OEMs seems to be a more viable path for Canada's automotive future.
It's a highly complex question, but in short, while Canada has a robust automotive sector with strong parts manufacturing capabilities and existing assembly plants, completely reorganizing to build a "complete gas/EV car in Canada" from scratch, solely using Canadian-owned independent entities, would be incredibly challenging and likely not economically viable in the current global landscape.
Here's a breakdown of why, considering both the possibilities and the significant hurdles:
Canada's Current Automotive Landscape:
Strong Parts Sector: Canada has a thriving automotive parts manufacturing industry with nearly 1,000 individual firms, including major Tier 1 suppliers like Magna, Linamar, and Martinrea. These companies are innovative and supply parts to automakers globally.
Foreign Assembly Plants: The majority of vehicle assembly plants in Canada are owned by foreign automakers (e.g., Ford, GM, Stellantis, Honda, Toyota). These plants assemble vehicles for the North American market, with a high percentage of vehicles exported (over 95%).
Integrated North American Supply Chain: The North American automotive industry is deeply integrated. Parts often cross the Canada-U.S. border multiple times before ending up in a finished product. This integration has been fostered by trade agreements like CUSMA (formerly NAFTA).
EV Investment: Canada has attracted significant investments in EV assembly and battery manufacturing, with major projects underway (e.g., Volkswagen's battery plant in St. Thomas, Stellantis/LG Energy Solution battery plant in Windsor, GM's Ultium CAM plant in Quebec). The government has a "mines-to-mobility" strategy to leverage Canada's critical mineral resources.
Government Support: Both federal and provincial governments offer various incentives and funding programs to support automotive manufacturing, R&D, and the transition to EVs.
Challenges to a Fully Canadian-Owned and Integrated Production:
Ownership and Control: The existing assembly plants are primarily foreign-owned. A complete "reorganization" would imply either nationalizing these assets or convincing foreign OEMs to divest, which is highly unlikely and would deter future investment. Building entirely new, Canadian-owned assembly plants from the ground up would require immense capital, expertise, and market access.
Economies of Scale: The global automotive industry operates on massive economies of scale. Designing, engineering, and manufacturing a complete car (gas or EV) from scratch requires enormous R&D investment, diverse manufacturing capabilities (from stamping and body shop to paint and final assembly), and a global sales network to achieve profitability. A single, fully Canadian-owned venture would struggle to compete with established global players that produce millions of vehicles annually.
Intellectual Property and Technology: Automakers hold vast amounts of intellectual property (IP) related to vehicle design, powertrain technologies, software, and manufacturing processes. Developing all of this from scratch, or acquiring licenses for all necessary technologies, would be a monumental undertaking.
Supply Chain Complexity: While Canada has a strong parts sector, no single country is entirely self-sufficient in automotive manufacturing. Modern vehicles have incredibly complex global supply chains. Even if Canada could produce every part, it would likely face higher costs compared to leveraging existing global networks. EV production, while requiring fewer parts overall, still depends on a global supply chain for critical minerals and specialized components.
Market Access and Distribution: Even if a car could be built, establishing a robust domestic and international sales and service network would be another massive hurdle. The North American market is dominated by established brands.
Labour and Skills: While Canada has a skilled automotive workforce, a complete overhaul would require retraining and upskilling on a massive scale, particularly for new EV technologies, and potentially a significant expansion of the workforce for entirely new ventures.
Current EV Market Dynamics: The EV market is still evolving, and there have been recent slowdowns in EV adoption compared to earlier projections. This has led to some project delays and reevaluations, highlighting the financial risks in this transitional period.
What is feasible and already happening:
Strengthening the EV Supply Chain: Canada is actively working to become a key player in the North American EV supply chain, from critical mineral extraction and processing to battery component manufacturing and EV assembly. This is a more realistic and strategic goal than attempting to build an entirely Canadian-owned "complete car."
Innovation in Parts and Technology: Canadian parts suppliers continue to innovate in areas like advanced manufacturing, lightweight materials, and EV components, making them essential partners for global OEMs.
"Project Arrow": The Automotive Parts Manufacturer's Association (APMA) launched "Project Arrow," an initiative to design and build a complete zero-emission concept car using all-Canadian parts and technology. This project aims to showcase Canadian capabilities and attract investment, rather than necessarily launching a new Canadian OEM.
In conclusion, while Canada has the talent, resources, and some of the necessary components, a complete re-organization of all independent auto parts and assembly plants to build a fully Canadian-owned and integrated gas/EV car would be an incredibly ambitious and probably impractical undertaking given the current global automotive landscape and the sheer capital and market requirements. The current strategy of integrating into the broader North American EV supply chain and attracting investment from global OEMs seems to be a more viable path for Canada's automotive future.
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Thursday, June 8, 2023
My best guess is the fog is rolling south at 10 to 15 miles per hour.
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Fog starting to cross the river.
Fog starting to cover Windsor.
Fog is covering us here in Windsor
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